Quality vs Rapidity

[StrikeFlo]

Just one thing, I've never considered our releases as High Quality, for me it's medium quality, not more.

I know that leechers don't care about quality, what I want to know is the opinion of everyone, not only those ungrateful bastards known as "leechers".

and to finish, of course we're slow, what team can manage to keep speed for such a long period? We're human beings, we have a life. Even me, knwing how it was going to turn , I said from the beginning I didn't want to clean those crappy raws, and in the end I even had to get my ass to work on it 

The only way to release faster is for new members to join, but we want quality, we won't accept every n00b around (I'm even giving up my place as leader if someone skilled enough able to produce enough work wants it.)

[Crossover]

It may not be high quality strike but for how much work you do and what you work from, you try to achieve the highest quality you can attempt while trying to keept true to the original work. I would say that the work you do is close to it as you can get. When you get Tankoubons you work with those as well.

Don't be so modest strike. It may not be pure hq, but its not something to scoff at. Not that many scanlation groups do as much as you do.

(and I looked and tried out the raws myself, half of them ink wise are practically missing half the dam page 0.o, though I still need to work on learning to retouch some of the hairstyles before I can even consider on helping out...)

[n647]

well as other hav enoted the pic quality is important but speed and translation are even more.
Miselve I enjoy ossu work and quality of the pages, tough I wish it could be a bit faster I understand that for quality one must wayt ... I Think maybe lowering a bit the  image quality to give more speed to the release, or as other have said do a LQ release and wait for good scans to make a HQ, prety much like ignition one does with hajime no ippo
mmm but is hard to answer the question with the options given ... after all one would like speed with your usual quality...

[matchstick0205]

Wow if you don't consider your releases HQ what do you consider as HQ then?

I know that leechers don't care about quality, what I want to know is the opinion of everyone, not only those ungrateful bastards known as "leechers".

Isn't that a bit ironic, because if they were truly leechers would they even bother making up an account and posting their opinion when you can access the downloads without an account anyway? A true leecher will only look at the releases and if nothing new is out they won't bother with anything else. Unless you have a different opinion of leechers that is.

and to finish, of course we're slow, what team can manage to keep speed for such a long period? We're human beings, we have a life. Even me, knwing how it was going to turn , I said from the beginning I didn't want to clean those crappy raws, and in the end I even had to get my ass to work on it  Undecided

I'm sure we are all aware that quality takes time, but its not like there is anybody here demanding for both quality and rapidity, you ask us a simple question and we answered honestly.

[Lord_Mew]

I know that leechers don't care about quality, what I want to know is the opinion of everyone, not only those ungrateful bastards known as "leechers".

Isn't that a bit ironic, because if they were truly leechers would they even bother making up an account and posting their opinion when you can access the downloads without an account anyway? A true leecher will only look at the releases and if nothing new is out they won't bother with anything else. Unless you have a different opinion of leechers that is.

well leechers also create accounts to bitch when they notice the archive doesn't have what they want and then after a while they turn from leechers to normal forum members

[matchstick0205]

well leechers also create accounts to bitch when they notice the archive doesn't have what they want and then after a while they turn from leechers to normal forum members

True. But what I don't get is if Ossu hates those 'ungrateful bastards' so much why don't they introduce the system that so many other forums uses where you have to post a certain amount of posts to get the chapters then. Instead of getting so many leechers you'll get one or two spammers, if you weigh out the quantity then surely this wouldn't be as bad.

[Crossover]

Mew is correct, in a way. Sorry to say, but leechers are a strange bunch.

(Sorry to stress out my past again ><)
When I was working with moderating topics, posts, etc along multiple boards you tend to see how far some... idio*cough* notable... posters tend to make accounts at random to insult, bitch, complain and annoy out of whatever reason that makes them think its worth doing. Some even do it till they get banned. (Had far too many discussions about types of bans...)

leechers have multiple variants. Regardless all that matters is the fact that leechers are people. Some are nice but dont post, some are pricks that dont post, and some are indifferent. For those that post you still have a concotion. What makes a leecher different from a community member that downloads? That is just a leecher that is a part of the community, therefore forum goer.

What do you define a leecher? One who downloads but does not post? One who does not care about fansubber as long as released? The defining point of strike is that leechers are those who dont bother, Mew denotes that leechers can also include those that make accounts just to bitch. Usually Mew's thought is the common thought of a leecher.
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Further discussion will be in pm or another topic.

[matchstick0205]

OK this is getting off topic so any replies to this post I will continue either in another topic or via PM.

What do you define a leecher? One who downloads but does not post? One who does not care about fansubber as long as released? The defining point of strike is that leechers are those who dont bother, Mew denotes that leechers can also include those that make accounts just to bitch. Usually Mew's thought is the common thought of a leecher.

Your first point states that leechers are those that don't bother. I already replied to this and said it was ironic earlier on, please re-read  .

Your second point states that leechers include those that bitch causing a nuisance in forums. StrikeFlo said:

I know that leechers don't care about quality, what I want to know is the opinion of everyone, not only those ungrateful bastards known as "leechers".

No one mentioned anything about leechers, only what they prefer, so we can conclude that he was calling a poster a leecher. From your argument a leecher is someone that bitches/causes a nuisance right? What I don't understand is how can anybody that has commented on this topic be considered a nuisance just for saying they prefer something else, in a topic asking what do they prefer. I hope I'm not going around in circles now 

[StrikeFlo]

Wow if you don't consider your releases HQ what do you consider as HQ then?

I consider as HQ the quality you have on the books you buy at the library, i'm not saying it's impossible to get an equivalent quality from magazine scans but every wise person would not try to spend the huge amount of time needed to do it.

The definition of leecher for me is the guy that
-spend 2 seconds to come download his chapter then leaves
-is bitching if he has to get on irc,
-is bitching if doesn't have his direct link right now (we are providing direct links after 1 week)
-is bitching if we don't release the moment the raw is available (I'm pretty sure some particularly dumb leechers would even ask for not serialized chapters in jump too)
-don't even try to imagine even 1 second that there are people giving their free time for free to the community of fans to bring them those chapters
-etc

of course to bitch the leecher have to come into contact with us by the forum or on irc. I mainly brought that leecher for crossover's "majority", the fact you're here opening a conversation itself makes you a bit different from my idea of leecher.

Just as a note, I am not speaking for any majority as this is just a mixture of a personal opinion and what I noticed by having been an admin/moderator for a large fan forum/site and a number of small forums a while back.

I'm sure we are all aware that quality takes time, but its not like there is anybody here demanding for both quality and rapidity, you ask us a simple question and we answered honestly.

I made this topic for that purpose, for you to answer honestly

True. But what I don't get is if Ossu hates those 'ungrateful bastards' so much why don't they introduce the system that so many other forums uses where you have to post a certain amount of posts to get the chapters then. Instead of getting so many leechers you'll get one or two spammers, if you weigh out the quantity then surely this wouldn't be as bad.

as you said yourself, this would only end up in getting the forum spammed which isn't a good idea besides we have to set a decent way to spread the releases to all there wouldn't be any point in scanlating them if it was just for a small community.


anyway I think we should recenter on the topic now. as said above this is just a question to ask your opinion, we'll do what we want whatever the issue is but it may influence our choices. and whatever the result is we will continue to release chapters.

[coolx]

I'm Leecher..
because without leecher, there's just a little people will downloaded this manga....

[Crossover]

I think I need to restructure my posts... The majority part was just for the concept that I am not speaking for anyone else, my opinions are my own as yours are your own (that and that was for a different post...)

btw, coolx's purpose of the post just above completely perplexes me...

also lets get away from the leecher point, it should be a moot point and should lay dead
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btw, at the risk of beating a dead dog, a leecher who posts also does not tend to read posts before theirs to the entirety, as you can see...

[n647]

when this topic turned into a discussion about 133ch3r5 ^^U

[akotsu]

I love your quality and your translations, so i dont care if I have to wait a month for a chapter by Ossu.

Thanks for all the hard work.

[kakashi86]

well maybe im kinda leecher,... but if not because of u guys doin scanlation, i 'll probably would not be able to read mXo... so keep it up guys...         
I'll much prefer the quality scanlation although maybe its not always up to date...
cause i like to saved it and read it again in my free time...

[Sayaku]

mabey Ossu! should make a flash movie about Mx0 so it would be something worth the effort for. I LOVE Mx0 FlasH MoviE!!!!!!!